tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18436046.post7497527940585056923..comments2024-02-15T11:55:02.998-08:00Comments on Why Homeschool: Please vote YES on California Prop 8Henry Catehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03097237237859928969noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18436046.post-4426438296926175152008-11-06T14:31:00.000-08:002008-11-06T14:31:00.000-08:00Everyone we know who had a Pro Prop 8 sign had the...Everyone we know who had a Pro Prop 8 sign had their sign stolen, some times several times. Our friends in other towns also their signs stolen. <BR/><BR/>Yet, the one house in our neighborhood with Anti Prop 8 signs always had their signs up. Their two signs were never stolen.<BR/><BR/>The local television station reported that two Gays parked their car in front of a house with a Pro Prop 8 sign, and wrote on their own car claiming the family were all bigots. The two gays wrote some hateful things on the car. <BR/><BR/>Some of our good friends had a Pro Prop 8 sign up in their yard for a week, but then took it down when some other friends with Pro Prop 8 signs had damage to their house.Henry Catehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03097237237859928969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18436046.post-91666914907712289972008-11-06T12:59:00.000-08:002008-11-06T12:59:00.000-08:00Janine Cate wrote: "Our Proposition 8 Signs have...Janine Cate wrote:<BR/> "Our Proposition 8 Signs have been stolen for the 6th time, and any good will I was feeling for those in an alternative lifestyle is pretty well gone."<BR/><BR/> Condemning a group of people for the acts of one is prejudice. I'm sorry that your sign was stolen, and I certainly don't condone such action, but it is no reason to withdraw what you describe as good will for those in an alternative lifestyle. Was it a gay person that stole your sign? Was it a black person? If it was, are you giving up on blacks too? Maybe it was a Hindu, and you should campaign against them. <BR/><BR/> Of course these statements sound absurd. Just as absurd as your statement.<BR/><BR/> Sadly, this is just one example of questionable morals and errors of fact that I have seen here. You said that you have "come to the conclusion that tolerance is a one way street in California" You are providing ample evidence that you are right. I hope that you can see your way clear to make it a two way street and be more tolerant in the future. In the mean time, you can write what you want, but being unwilling to litter my life with further detritus, I will no longer view this blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18436046.post-40862790458213010652008-11-01T12:56:00.000-07:002008-11-01T12:56:00.000-07:00>This issue is about whether the majority that ...>This issue is about whether the majority that is not gay is going to prevent those who are from the economic security that goes with marriage?<BR/><BR/>Name one tangible "right" except the word marriage that gays are now denied under the current domestic partner laws. <BR/><BR/>Gays already have the personal property rights, they just can't transform the word "marriage" to include alternative lifestyles.<BR/><BR/>Have the intellectual integrity to call it what it is and we can all get along. Gays want the freedom to express that they are different, yet want to pretend that they are the same. Pick one. <BR/><BR/>This isn't about civil rights. Nobody is making gays sit at the back of the bus, blocking access to education, housing etc. <BR/><BR/>In fact, gays have extra legal protection. If my white, heterosexual husband is assaulted, the perpetrator will get a lesser sentence then a random attack on a gay. If my husband if harassed at work or is unfairly fired, he has less legal recourse than if he were gay. If (for the 7th time) my free speech rights are trampled on by vandals who steal and tamper with signs on my property, nobody cares.<BR/>If a school decides not to notify the parents about the "gay coming out day" like at Hayward school district, they have no recourse.<BR/><BR/>Why? Traditional families have less legal protection than gays.Janine Catehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04078812496080773315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18436046.post-722917747276090562008-11-01T01:09:00.000-07:002008-11-01T01:09:00.000-07:00This issue isn't about whether gay marriage is rig...This issue isn't about whether gay marriage is right or wrong; it's about freedom of religion. When this country was founded people were being discriminated against because they held different beliefs from the majority. This issue is about whether the majority that is not gay is going to prevent those who are from the economic security that goes with marriage? Will the majority prevent gays from visiting their loved ones in the hospital, and sharing their resources with each other? This proposition is about legal marriage, not spiritual marriage. Your religious group can continue to not recognize gay marriage if Prop 8 doesn't pass. Prop 8 destroys marriage for a significant minority of the population; it doesn't preserve it. You can still have your marriage without prop 8. And it doesn't keep people from being gay, or talking about it on radio. It allows them to participate more fully in our society, without in any way providing you any harm or forcing them into your circle of friends.RespectForAllhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01611848740574041526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18436046.post-50189160886024856592008-10-30T20:56:00.000-07:002008-10-30T20:56:00.000-07:00I'm going to start this comment with disclaimer. ...I'm going to start this comment with disclaimer. Our Proposition 8 Signs have been stolen for the 6th time, and any good will I was feeling for those in an alternative lifestyle is pretty well gone. I've come to the conclusion that tolerance is a one way street in California. I'm so done with this topic, but I feel I should respond.<BR/><BR/>So-called "Gay" marriage is just another way for adults to fulfill their desires at the expense of children. <BR/><BR/>Children are entitled to a mother and a father. Promoting same-sex relationships as the equivalent of traditional marriage will help create a generation of children who are robbed of their birthright.<BR/><BR/>Even if gay couples choose not to be parents, calling that relationship marriage promotes the false idea that the marriage commitment is only a romantic one. <BR/><BR/>[It is fair to say that heterosexual couples started that ball rolling, but that is a whole other post.]<BR/><BR/>Proposition 8 is just one step in many to restore the protection that traditional marriage once provided for our children. <BR/><BR/>I would try to wax more eloquent, but I've got a toddler that needs his mommy and daddy to put him to bed.Janine Catehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04078812496080773315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18436046.post-84544086630833393712008-10-28T22:35:00.000-07:002008-10-28T22:35:00.000-07:00DemocracyI share your concern about the will of th...<B>Democracy</B><BR/>I share your concern about the will of the people not being carried out. <BR/>That said... I think you are misinformed about the nature of how laws change in this country. At the time of Brown vs. Board of Education, many would have argued that the judges were not merely upholding equal protection, but that they were effectively dictating that integration occur. Since that thwarted the will of the majority it was, in a sense, undemocratic. Yet I think most would agree that the ends, if not the means, were noble. <BR/>Maintaining a legitimate democracy, while avoiding tyranny of the majority, is a truly complicated issue.<BR/><B>Legal Tradition</B> <BR/>What laws are on the books in California dictating how public schools teach marriage? <BR/>In what way does, e.g., allowing a same-sex partner to make decisions when their partner is sick twist or abuse a law beyond it's intention? <BR/><BR/><B>Free Speech</B><BR/>How is restricting usage of a word pro-Free Speech?<BR/>Somewhat tangentally- I would be rather irked to be on my 4th lawn sign myself. However, people (of many political views) have stolen yard signs before, and will most likely be stealing signs in the future regardless of whether Prop 8 passes. <BR/><BR/><B>Respect of God's laws</B><BR/>You can personally follow (what you understand to be) God's guidance and commandments regardless of whether Prop 8 passes. <BR/><BR/>@Derek Taylor- I think you have good insight into some reactions to the use of the term "marriage". That said, you are wrong about what "everybody" knows. For me personally, there is no difference between a gay marriage and a straight one.Beccahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15356974556397009124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18436046.post-21282715262509629332008-10-27T21:33:00.000-07:002008-10-27T21:33:00.000-07:00Sorry that we have been slow to respond to the lat...Sorry that we have been slow to respond to the latest comments. We ended up hosting the next Carnival of Homeschooling, so we are a bit short of time.<BR/><BR/>This is not the kind of topic where you can whip out a quick response.<BR/><BR/>I, too, appreciate the civil discourse. I'm feeling a bit testy right now since the Prop 8 yard signs on our street have been stolen for the 4th time.Janine Catehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04078812496080773315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18436046.post-85002072659066363862008-10-26T16:26:00.000-07:002008-10-26T16:26:00.000-07:00Cates,Bravo! on addressing a difficult topic and o...Cates,<BR/>Bravo! on addressing a difficult topic and opening it up for discussion. I have to say this was one of the most civil internet discussions I have read. If it means anything, I added you to my feed reader to make up for the commenter who unsubscribed ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18436046.post-32666775175372650572008-10-26T06:12:00.000-07:002008-10-26T06:12:00.000-07:00excuse me. i don't understand what defining the wo...excuse me. i don't understand what defining the word marriage has to do with black segregation. black people were actually denied rights of human beings based on what they are. if homosexual couples already have the benefits of married couples, basically they just want to be called 'married', never mind what the word actually means. being black is not relevant to any of the rights they wanted. being gay is not relevant to workplace rights, and other rights and responsibilities. but it *is* relevant to marriage because marriage has a procreative function that necessarily involves sexuality. <BR/><BR/>marriage is NOT a right. marriage is a contract and a responsibility, part of which involves the intent to create and nurture a biological family. all permutations of this in all cultures of the world involve procreative intent, between a man and a woman. that is what the word 'marriage' means, and no amount of wishful thinking should make it otherwise. the life commitment of homosexual people necessarily is missing the procreative element and therefore cannot be termed 'marriage'. pick another word for it. you create a new thing, you name it something new. you don't take an existing word that already has a meaning, and then try to change or twist the meaning. whatever it is, whether better or worse in one's opinion than marriage, it is not the same as marriage. i blame fairy tales and the heavily romanticised, selfish notion of 'modern marriage' for clouding the issue, where the story stops at the wedding as though marriage is about just the two people in love, as though romantic love is all the 'meaning' in marriage. that just makes you lovers, it does not yet make you husband and wife - marriage requires the intention of setting up and maintaining a family. society has no interest in rewarding lovers, but does have an interest in rewarding marriages, which form the basis of its own future. this is the reality of it. <BR/><BR/>by all means if the society accepts homosexual relationship, to be consistent they should have visitation rights, inheritance rights etc. i.e. rights given to family members by marriage (rather than blood) such as husband and wife. but they should not get benefits given by society for married couples that are meant for the procreation aspect of marriage - i.e. if certain tax breaks are for this reason, then they should not be eligible unless they adopt children while remaining in that committed union. some things are compassionate 'rights', but other benefits are given by the society for a reason - they're not 'rights' in an absolute sense. society expects something back - commitment to preserving social stability, decency, procreation and raising of the future generation appropriately. it's terrible that such a basic and universal concept is not properly understood.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18436046.post-1073587103216972372008-10-23T19:42:00.000-07:002008-10-23T19:42:00.000-07:00Well done Henry.With your large readership, you ar...Well done Henry.<BR/><BR/>With your large readership, you are courageously putting a lot on the line when you address such highly sensitive topics.<BR/><BR/>Ironically, the failure of proposition 8 would lead to a huge surge in the popularity of homeschooling, which your blog generally promotes.<BR/><BR/>I too am surprised by the one commenter who indicated that other Yes on 8 sites were disrespectful or rude. Given that the No on 8 side is trying to characterize them as intolerant bigots, my experience is that they are exerting great efforts to argue in the most polite manner.<BR/><BR/>My step-brother is homosexual, and we are great friends. However, I too am strongly on the YES on 8 side for a variety of reasons, including those you mentioned in your post.<BR/><BR/>In fact, not all homosexuals are that enthusiastic about what the judges did. They already have all of the rights, and their efforts redefine marriage may produce a backlash, especially because of the anti-democratic manner in which it was achieved.<BR/><BR/>One of the commenters stated "It seems what they really want is acceptance and equal treatment under the law."<BR/><BR/>This is partially correct. They already have equal treatment under the law, so all that is left is "acceptance". Unfortunately, acceptance is not something that can be coerced, no matter what laws are passed. However, any efforts the state makes to coerce acceptance will inevitably clash with the speech and religious rights of those who believe same-sex relatonships are sinful.<BR/>- Brian HickmanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18436046.post-84060367220885721022008-10-23T17:22:00.000-07:002008-10-23T17:22:00.000-07:00The reason why I support proposition 8 is because ...The reason why I support proposition 8 is because I believe that traditional marriage is the start of a traditional family, which is the fundamental unit of society.<BR/> <BR/>Marriage is more than two individuals who love each other and decide to commit to live together. Father and mother each bring unique talents and abilities that compliment and strengthen each other in the nurture and raising of children that would be lacking in a same sex partnership. The vital role in the development of children played by a father fully engaged with the family is well documented. Children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity.<BR/><BR/>Well meaning laws by activist judges which may make sense from an individual point of view have had serious effect on families. One only need look at the effect on black families of legislation over the last 30 - 50 years or so as documented in the archives of Thomas Sowell, and Lashawn Barber (http://lashawnbarber.com/) and others. I believe the actions by the CA judges is a good example.<BR/> <BR/>For those who would argue that same-sex marriage would have no effect on My marriage, you are right. I've been married for over 30 years and plan on stay so for the next 30 and beyond. However please consider the argument presented by Megan McArdle. Megan McArdle coherently expresses some of what I've been trying to say:<BR/>(http://www.janegalt.net/archives/005244.php).<BR/> <BR/>That doesn't mean that I insist on traditional gender roles within the marriage bonds. I like to cook and I wanted to help Lynette as much as I could handling three children 5 and younger, so I would often hurry home after work to cook supper. I usually did the dinner on Sundays and holidays as well.<BR/> <BR/>However I do believe that one member of the team needs to be there at home for the family. I admire Duard, one of my coworkers, when he quit work to stay at home with his daughter while his wife continued to work as a manager for Cisco. Likewise, my wife, Lynette, was able to volunteer at the schools where our children were taught because she was a "stay-at-home mom". We found that teachers often do a much better job when there is a caring parent there to help them. And when we discovered that the school was not meeting the needs of our younger son David, struggling with eyes that didn't develop as fast as the rest of his body, Lynette was able to home school him. Eventually he was joined by his younger siblings. <BR/> <BR/> I discovered how hard the role of stay-at-home parent was when I agreed to stay with the kids while Lynette took a woodworking class at a community college. It was quite a struggle for this nerd and definitely one of Lynette's talents.<BR/><BR/>Bob DurtschiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18436046.post-10525080665350411992008-10-23T13:56:00.000-07:002008-10-23T13:56:00.000-07:00The whole "equal rights" argument against Prop. 8 ...The whole "equal rights" argument against Prop. 8 is a smokescreen. Homosexual domestic partners ALREADY HAD THE EXACT SAME RIGHTS under state law as married couples. Nothing in Prop. 8 would change that! Homosexuals would still retain all the same legal rights and could still have their unions blessed by any religious organization willing to do so. The only thing that Prop. 8 would do is to re-affirm the traditional definition of marriage.<BR/><BR/>I know many Christians disagree with me about this, but I don't really care all that much about whether homosexual partners are granted the same legal rights as married couples. While I definitely don't agree with their lifestyle, I also don't think it's the government's job to be the morality police. <BR/><BR/>The redefinition of marriage by 4 activist judges has implications that go far beyond semantics. <BR/><BR/>The 96% of school districts offering sex ed will be forced under the ed code to treat gay "marriage" as the same as traditional marriage regardless of how teachers and parents feel about the issue. Even if we don't send our kids to the public schools, what gets taught there often influences what publishers incorporate into textbooks.Crimson Wifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03254830856234479999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18436046.post-43844932466301257812008-10-23T08:26:00.000-07:002008-10-23T08:26:00.000-07:00And this is totally a homeschool consideration as ...And this is totally a homeschool consideration as well. We've already had one news report of a field trip to see 2 teacher "marry." In all my years in public school, nobody ever considered a field trip to see teachers marry. The aquarium, a bakery, the occasional trip to a museum, THOSE were field trips. Then there was the transgender teacher who returned from summer break another gender. The school insisted they couldn't tell parents because of medical privacy. Privacy? How is this an issue that would remain private when the teacher flaunts the change?<BR/><BR/>BTW, the California teachers' union is a MAJOR supporter of Prop 8, proving once again that their agenda is to promote an agenda, not work for the good of students.<BR/><BR/>It isn't about tolerance, it is about cram-it-down-your-throat acceptance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18436046.post-80258982200670485702008-10-23T06:29:00.000-07:002008-10-23T06:29:00.000-07:00>One could see a lesbian union as a marginaliza...>One could see a lesbian union as a marginalization of men, or a homosexual union as a marginalization of women.<BR/><BR/>>I don't believe government should sanction the marginalization of any parent. And even though some families can't have children, or choose not to have children, you can't separate the child-issue from the marriage issue.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Thanks Emily. You articulated that well. I am horrified when adults (gay or straight) intentionally burden a child with the loss of a mother or father. Marriage laws of all kinds should be more protective of the needs of children and less concerned about the whims of adults.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the link.Janine Catehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04078812496080773315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18436046.post-80373175202832579562008-10-23T01:15:00.000-07:002008-10-23T01:15:00.000-07:00Thank you for the post.I think that this propositi...Thank you for the post.<BR/><BR/>I think that this proposition hits close to home for many Californians, some closer than others.<BR/><BR/>Why I am voting Yes on 8 is that I do not agree that four judges can take away the voice of the people!!! (61% of voters already voted for this.)<BR/><BR/>I agree with adding the wording: “Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.” to the state constitution. This is what the people voted for in the 2000 election.<BR/><BR/>Let's allow the people to change their minds, not four appointed judges!!R. Hansenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13012371771787665647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18436046.post-46336117005430440442008-10-22T22:27:00.000-07:002008-10-22T22:27:00.000-07:00Costs to employer health plans will rise. The expa...Costs to employer health plans will rise. The expansion of the definition of "marriage" by courts is a court-mandated tax increase on employers (and taxpayers, if the State is the employer), without representation. <BR/><BR/>I am disappointed to see so many libertarians on the other side of this issue.Malcolm Kirkpatrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01294436437292859972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18436046.post-75323452152439628772008-10-22T22:24:00.000-07:002008-10-22T22:24:00.000-07:00thanks for this post.Marriage is our culture’s ult...thanks for this post.<BR/><BR/>Marriage is our culture’s ultimate expression of equality–it takes one man and one woman to create a family. Even if a marriage can’t have children or choose not to have children the definition of their relationship expresses this equality.<BR/><BR/>One could see a lesbian union as a marginalization of men, or a homosexual union as a marginalization of women.<BR/><BR/>I don't believe government should sanction the marginalization of any parent. And even though some families can't have children, or choose not to have children, you can't separate the child-issue from the marriage issue.<BR/><BR/>there is a great discussion here:<BR/><BR/>http://prop8discussion.wordpress.com/2008/10/20/separate-but-equal/<BR/><BR/>yes on prop 8!emi.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04504837123208426967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18436046.post-35760783004288830852008-10-22T22:09:00.000-07:002008-10-22T22:09:00.000-07:00Derek: Thanks for the feedback.Frally: One point o...Derek: Thanks for the feedback.<BR/><BR/>Frally: One point of clarification, I don't believe our impulses are a choice, I do believe how we chose to act on them is a choice. Proposition 8 doesn't take away from same-sex couples any rights of free association or property, etc.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your respectful dialogue and I wish you the best.Henry Catehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03097237237859928969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18436046.post-61239127161006348352008-10-22T21:49:00.000-07:002008-10-22T21:49:00.000-07:00I live in New Zealand. I guess if you believe Homo...I live in New Zealand. <BR/><BR/>I guess if you believe Homosexuality is a choice (which I firmly believe it's not), then it will be impossible for us to discuss this topic within the same frame of reference. I had hoped you were able to see what I consider to be logical fallacies in your argument.But our "logic" is too different - What you consider apples and oranges, I consider 2 varieties of apples.<BR/><BR/>As such, I am withdrawing from the discussion. I now feel I shouldn't have joined it in the first place due to the headache it's given me ;).<BR/><BR/>All the best.Frallyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17675354826656796981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18436046.post-25843364420649013042008-10-22T20:32:00.000-07:002008-10-22T20:32:00.000-07:00Great post, Henry!On the point about language, I'v...Great post, Henry!<BR/><BR/>On the point about language, I've tried to point out that calling two things that aren't equivalent by the same name is futile. All it does it move the differences into the adjective. So now when we talk about marriage, we have to add the adjective "gay" or "straight."<BR/><BR/>Everybody already knows they aren't the same, so what do the gay marriage advocates accomplish by forcing people to call them by the same name?<BR/><BR/>I've read some of the "No on 8" blogs and listened to some of their arguments. It seems what they really want is acceptance and equal treatment under the law. The problem with gay marriage is that it tries to alter a word that is part of a fundamental religious belief of millions of people. By so doing, it creates a backlash which is actually counter-productive to the goal of acceptance.<BR/><BR/>If gays want to be accepted and treated equally, I think they could start by acknowledging what is already obvious to everyone else -- that they have a different kind of relationship. Acknowledging that difference, we can work toward a positive acceptance and understanding. "Gay" marriage is not the way to achieve that.<BR/><BR/>-- Derek TaylorDerekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14533049225177047051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18436046.post-55219939420168243662008-10-22T20:03:00.000-07:002008-10-22T20:03:00.000-07:00The latest polls have the proposition passing. Wi...The latest polls have the proposition passing. Will the judges ignore the changes to the California constitution?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18436046.post-41472237174284914082008-10-22T19:54:00.000-07:002008-10-22T19:54:00.000-07:00Thank you for the history lesson. From the news i...Thank you for the history lesson. <BR/><BR/>From the news it wasn't clear that people in California already decided this issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18436046.post-56774416226760897442008-10-22T19:47:00.000-07:002008-10-22T19:47:00.000-07:00"Whoops, I didn't realise you were responding in s..."Whoops, I didn't realise you were responding in snippets."<BR/><BR/>Oh, now your second comment makes more sense. Sorry for the confusion.<BR/><BR/><BR/>"Although, I now am more stunned by your viewpoint considering you know homsexual people and consider them friends."<BR/><BR/>Why? Why do I have to change my believe in how marriage should be defined just because I have known over a dozen gays and lesbians? Most of them are good people. <BR/><BR/>But I think it is a mistake for four judges to tell millions of Californians that what they want doesn't matter.Henry Catehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03097237237859928969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18436046.post-81579595455486605022008-10-22T19:42:00.000-07:002008-10-22T19:42:00.000-07:00"Henry, your response to my post shows you have on..."Henry, your response to my post shows you have only paid attention to the most insignificant part of what I had to say and chosen to ignore anything I've said that actually had any bearing on the issue. I am disappointed, but not surprised. Some people will always see what they choose to see..."<BR/><BR/>This comes across as a condescending response. Rather than ask for a response to a specific issue or two, you assert that I only addressed the "most insignificant part." I'm sorry. I started off addressing your first main points. <BR/><BR/>I'll try to quickly address a few more of your comments.<BR/><BR/>"Do you think racial segregation is a good or bad thing?"<BR/><BR/>Bad.<BR/><BR/>"My point is, people can't help being black, just as they can't help being gay."<BR/><BR/>I don't accept this as a valid argument. We all have tendencies, desires, and impulses. There are times I want to hit people, but I haven't hit anyone in thirty years. There are times I want to tell people they are idiots, but I haven't in a long time. Alcoholism runs in my family, so I've never taken the first drink. I happen to find women very attractive, but I have been faithful to my wife.<BR/><BR/>Just having an impulse doesn't mean you should act on it.<BR/><BR/><BR/>"I find it an illogical argument considering any drunk heterosexual couple can have a wedding in Las Vegas after knowing each other for 10 minutes."<BR/><BR/>I would be OK with making people wait longer.<BR/><BR/><BR/>"I live in a country where Gay people can marry and I can report that life goes on as normal."<BR/><BR/>What country do you live in?Henry Catehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03097237237859928969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18436046.post-59945942453670973712008-10-22T19:32:00.000-07:002008-10-22T19:32:00.000-07:00Whoops, I didn't realise you were responding in s...Whoops, I didn't realise you were responding in snippets. Although, I now am more stunned by your viewpoint considering you know homsexual people and consider them friends.Frallyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17675354826656796981noreply@blogger.com